Why this copyright mess is pure insanity

[furrykef]

I know there are other threads on this, but I am posting this in its own thread because it is rather extensive and I think that its points can be addressed on their own. Merge it if you must.

First off I'm going to say that I was one of Ken's fans back in the day. I also have absolutely no interest in Archie Comics today. Even if Archie Comics ceased publishing Sonic tomorrow, I honestly could not care. Thus, I have no bias against Ken or in favor of Archie. I respect Ken and his work. I cannot, however, say I respect this decision.


Rights... and integrity
Ken, you often talk about being within your rights. Legal rights, maybe; I'm not a lawyer, I haven't seen your contract, or whatever, so I cannot argue with you there. As for moral rights... I really don't think so.

A "work for hire" agreement is standard operating procedure. Surely you knew that Archie thought you had such an agreement with them. It's not clear whether you believed that too, at the time... but that doesn't matter. If you did believe you had the rights from day one, you'd been stringing them along from day one by making them think you didn't. If you didn't believe you had the rights, then you and Archie were working under a certain mutual understanding and somehow you're the victim when they made the (admittedly stupid) blunder of not specifying that your work is work for hire. I can't see either possibility as anything but exploitation. (By the way, if the contract does say your work was work for hire, as Ian has apparently said it is... then, I'm sorry, but you don't have a leg to stand on from a legal standpoint. But for the purposes of this discussion I'll assume it doesn't.)

You keep going on about your rights but I don't think your legal rights are what's important here. Just because something's legal doesn't mean you should do it. If it were somehow legal for me to press a button that would kill 10 million people in an obscure foreign land, but give me a dollar for each and every one of 'em, would that make it right? And sure, a lot of people would press that button -- that doesn't make it right either.


Burning bridges
Now here's where things look bad for you. People aren't happy about this apparent exploitation -- I'm not the only one, as you're well aware. You're destroying your relationship with other people in the industry. You talk about putting food on the table. Well, Ken, do you think people will want to work with you when you're pulling this stunt? I know I wouldn't -- maybe I'd be being irrational, but that doesn't matter. People who won't work with you are just that, whether they are being irrational or not.


Your fans
To put food on the table, if you're gonna do so by writing, you're gonna need fans. Bridges with other people in the industry aren't the only ones you're burning. You'll be hard pressed to find people willing to read your work if they're already against you -- especially if that work is all wrapped up in why they don't like you.


A bad precedent
It may seem a minor point, and it really is compared to the other issues, but this whole situation sets a bad precedent. This kind of thing is why contract law is so complex and why we need lawyers on both sides to make sure neither party is getting screwed over. It shouldn't be that way; contracts should be common sense. You are being part of why they are not. I'm sorry to say it, but this act is a disservice to society.


Your graphic novel
Ken, the graphic novel is a spectacularly bad idea. You and your lawyer say you're within your legal rights to make it. This I very much doubt. Your characters are still obviously derivative from the original Sonic characters, even casting aside the whole issue of having appeared in Archie. You only own as much of the characters as is yours. The design of Knuckles does not belong to you; therefore, characters based on Knuckles do not wholly belong to you. I may not be a lawyer, but I think the law is pretty clear-cut on that much.

But let's suppose you redesign the characters so the Sonic ancestry isn't obvious anymore. In that case... what's the point? Would they even be the same characters anymore? What are you trying to gain, here?


Summary
This whole situation violates your integrity, it makes you look bad, it burns your bridges, it alienates your fans, and it will leave you with nothing but worthless "rights" you can't do anything with. Quite a pyhrric victory, in my opinion, and yet it seems to me that this is the best you can hope for.

Ken, this whole deal isn't benefiting anybody. Not even you -- in fact, the person most likely to get hurt in this is you. I really think you should just let the whole matter go.

[Miko]

A "work for hire" agreement is standard operating procedure. Surely you knew that Archie thought you had such an agreement with them. It's not clear whether you believed that too, at the time... but that doesn't matter. If you did believe you had the rights from day one, you'd been stringing them along from day one by making them think you didn't. If you didn't believe you had the rights, then you and Archie were working under a certain mutual understanding and somehow you're the victim when they made the (admittedly stupid) blunder of not specifying that your work is work for hire. I can't see either possibility as anything but exploitation. (By the way, if the contract does say your work was work for hire, as Ian has apparently said it is... then, I'm sorry, but you don't have a leg to stand on from a legal standpoint. But for the purposes of this discussion I'll assume it doesn't.)

Again one of the reasons why Ken didn't originally say anything, is because he didn't have reason to at the time believe the contract he signed was in any way breeched. So seeing as he feels the terms were breeched now, he feels the prior agreement made was null and void.

Burning bridges
Now here's where things look bad for you. People aren't happy about this apparent exploitation -- I'm not the only one, as you're well aware. You're destroying your relationship with other people in the industry. You talk about putting food on the table. Well, Ken, do you think people will want to work with you when you're pulling this stunt? I know I wouldn't -- maybe I'd be being irrational, but that doesn't matter. People who won't work with you are just that, whether they are being irrational or not.

Then again I'm sure Ken would explain to those people that he went along with this with the idea the contract he'd setup with them was breeched. Not only that but this was over rights concerning characters that being fought over are mostly already dead and removed from this comic anyway. It's not actually going to affect the comic to a large degree and certainly wouldn't be affecting the mythos to any greater extent Ian hasn't already done with Ken's work. With the exceptin of Julie-su, and Elias the others are easily replaceable to the comic continuity at this point. Eggman had been using robots long before the DEL ever showed up. So, if they were taken out, it'd be bussiness as usual.

Your fans
To put food on the table, if you're gonna do so by writing, you're gonna need fans. Bridges with other people in the industry aren't the only ones you're burning. You'll be hard pressed to find people willing to read your work if they're already against you -- especially if that work is all wrapped up in why they don't like you.

Except Ken feels his work untampered had a comparable fanbase to the current book and many of them have been writing in to Ken with what he's felt is concern over the handling of the characters. Fans HERE may not like it, but as far as Ken's concerned he's looking out for the readers who liked his work, didn't like what it was reduced to in Archie and don't approve of any potential breeches of contract that they'd voiced concern to Ken over.

[Maren]

the others are easily replaceable to the comic continuity at this point.

Don't forget the Council too since they stemmed from Ken. Queen Alicia as well, but then again, I guess she'd be in the "easily replaceable" category.

I'm not seeing why this is worth getting worked up over. Majority of the characters Ken would be taking with him provided he won have either been killed off, shoved into limbo or have already been stripped of any significance to the present stories. Besides, didn't he say something along the lines of him continuing the Knuckles series provided this court case was successful?


What I'm curious of is, how would Ian be able to explain the editorial changes to fans in-comic provided Ken's intentions are given the go-ahead.

[Miko]

What I'm curious of is, how would Ian be able to explain the editorial changes to fans in-comic provided Ken's intentions are given the go-ahead.

I'm pretty sure Ken would allow Ian to write a story involving mass genocide to finally seal the deal. It's not like it hasn't happened before.

[Viuely]

I thought you didn't read the comics anymore Kef.

[Miko]

First off I'm going to say that I was one of Ken's fans back in the day. I also have absolutely no interest in Archie Comics today.

Kef said he didn't really care about the comics anymore though, Viu.

[Mavrickindigo]

Then again I'm sure Ken would explain to those people that he went along with this with the idea the contract he'd setup with them was breeched. Not only that but this was over rights concerning characters that being fought over are mostly already dead and removed from this comic anyway. It's not actually going to affect the comic to a large degree and certainly wouldn't be affecting the mythos to any greater extent Ian hasn't already done with Ken's work. With the exceptin of Julie-su, and Elias the others are easily replaceable to the comic continuity at this point. Eggman had been using robots long before the DEL ever showed up. So, if they were taken out, it'd be bussiness as usual.

You obviously have not been reading the comic recently, or you will know this is complete and total BS. The current arc of the comic is all about how Eggman has replaced roboticization with "Legionization." Ian has already set up future plot points involving DEL chapters that will go unresolved should this madness go through. Aside from some insane retcon, there is no way to drop the Dark Legion from the comic. Sure you could kill off Julie-Su, never mention Rob O. the Hedge again, and no one will miss St. John, but this even effects characters originally owned by SEGA. We won't be able to see Eggman NEGA because he is tied to the zones, let alone see Scourge or Zonic again. Eggman's already complicated backstory will have to be completely redone and retconned. Ken got Robotnik Prime killed, and Ken created Robo-Robotnik, the character that would become Eggman. This would essentially erase ENDGAME from continuity and screw up all notions that Eggman is the Second Robotnik.

No, it will not be "Business as Usual." Ken's concepts are far too ingrained into the series mythos that the whole thing would fall apart.

[Miko]

Then again I'm sure Ken would explain to those people that he went along with this with the idea the contract he'd setup with them was breeched. Not only that but this was over rights concerning characters that being fought over are mostly already dead and removed from this comic anyway. It's not actually going to affect the comic to a large degree and certainly wouldn't be affecting the mythos to any greater extent Ian hasn't already done with Ken's work. With the exceptin of Julie-su, and Elias the others are easily replaceable to the comic continuity at this point. Eggman had been using robots long before the DEL ever showed up. So, if they were taken out, it'd be bussiness as usual.

You obviously have not been reading the comic recently, or you will know this is complete and total BS. The current arc of the comic is all about how Eggman has replaced roboticization with "Legionization."

Again if Ken takes back the characters foiled Archie can just stop the arc, have Sonic quickly save the day, get Eggman back to using robots again and think of othe plots for us to mully over.

Ian has already set up future plot points involving DEL chapters that will go unresolved should this madness go through. Aside from some insane retcon, there is no way to drop the Dark Legion from the comic.

Well, if Ken dooes win Archie may not have a choice.

Sure you could kill off Julie-Su, never mention Rob O. the Hedge again, and no one will miss St. John, but this even effects characters originally owned by SEGA. We won't be able to see Eggman NEGA because he is tied to the zones,

To my knowledge NEGA's off limits anyway. SEGA also came up with zones (for example Chaos emeralds in a different reality have been the case before Ken).

let alone see Scourge or Zonic again.

Zonic rarely ever makes an appearance and Scourge has been put on a bus. About Zonic and Scourge, what I say about RoboRobotnik will probably fall in this.

Eggman's already complicated backstory will have to be completely redone and retconned. Ken got Robotnik Prime killed, and Ken created Robo-Robotnik, the character that would become Eggman. This would essentially erase ENDGAME from continuity and screw up all notions that Eggman is the Second Robotnik.

He can't hold claim to RoboRobotnik because that's still a robotinik. Is like Julian is with the modern Eggman, a different interpretation of a character or moniker SEGA already made. Just like how Ken probably wouldn't get Knuckles or Scourge for those exact reasons. Yes he set up their stories and at most may hold onto the backstories he created for them, but not the characters. Because these are interpretations of preestablished game characters. It just wouldn't happen.

[Mavrickindigo]

Then again I'm sure Ken would explain to those people that he went along with this with the idea the contract he'd setup with them was breeched. Not only that but this was over rights concerning characters that being fought over are mostly already dead and removed from this comic anyway. It's not actually going to affect the comic to a large degree and certainly wouldn't be affecting the mythos to any greater extent Ian hasn't already done with Ken's work. With the exceptin of Julie-su, and Elias the others are easily replaceable to the comic continuity at this point. Eggman had been using robots long before the DEL ever showed up. So, if they were taken out, it'd be bussiness as usual.

You obviously have not been reading the comic recently, or you will know this is complete and total BS. The current arc of the comic is all about how Eggman has replaced roboticization with "Legionization."

Again if Ken takes back the characters foiled Archie can just stop the arc, have Sonic quickly save the day, get Eggman back to using robots again and think of othe plots for us to mully over.

Doing so without once mentioning the DEL will be messy and hard to pull off, though. Especially with them all over the world like that.

Ian has already set up future plot points involving DEL chapters that will go unresolved should this madness go through. Aside from some insane retcon, there is no way to drop the Dark Legion from the comic.

Well, if Ken dooes win Archie may not have a choice.[/quote]
Which is why this is such a jerk move to pull.

Sure you could kill off Julie-Su, never mention Rob O. the Hedge again, and no one will miss St. John, but this even effects characters originally owned by SEGA. We won't be able to see Eggman NEGA because he is tied to the zones,

To my knowledge NEGA's off limits anyway. SEGA also came up with zones (for example Chaos emeralds in a different reality have been the case before Ken).[/quote]
Sega Zones are not the same as archie Zones. Sega Zones are just different stages in the games. Different locations in the same plane. ARchie has two different kidns of zones. One are pocket dimensions made before Penders' debut, and the others are alternate realities, which was Ken's construction (along with the Cosmic Interstate)

let alone see Scourge or Zonic again.

Zonic rarely ever makes an appearance and Scourge has been put on a bus. About Zonic and Scourge, what I say about RoboRobotnik will probably fall in this.[/quote]
Their lack of appearance are for similar purposes. When Scourge became Scourge, he was in his longest appearance ever. He was around for over a year doing things on Mobius Prime. It was time to give him a break, since he is usually a "villain of the week" one shot guy who gets defeated whenever he comes out. Zonic is never around because the comic is less focused on reality hopping than it was back in the day.

Eggman's already complicated backstory will have to be completely redone and retconned. Ken got Robotnik Prime killed, and Ken created Robo-Robotnik, the character that would become Eggman. This would essentially erase ENDGAME from continuity and screw up all notions that Eggman is the Second Robotnik.

He can't hold claim to RoboRobotnik because that's still a robotinik. Is like Julian is with the modern Eggman, a different interpretation of a character or moniker SEGA already made. Just like how Ken probably wouldn't get Knuckles or Scourge for those exact reasons. Yes he set up their stories and at most may hold onto the backstories he created for them, but not the characters. Because these are interpretations of preestablished game characters. It just wouldn't happen.[/quote]

but its the backstories that will create the problem. If we go with a "total refusal" scenario, we have to wipe all of issue #19 and #20 from existence, since they are part of Eggman's backstory, established by Ken.

[furrykef]

With all due respect, I started this thread to discuss Ken's actions. How Archie continuity could be affected is rather aside from the point.

Burning bridges
Now here's where things look bad for you. People aren't happy about this apparent exploitation -- I'm not the only one, as you're well aware. You're destroying your relationship with other people in the industry. You talk about putting food on the table. Well, Ken, do you think people will want to work with you when you're pulling this stunt? I know I wouldn't -- maybe I'd be being irrational, but that doesn't matter. People who won't work with you are just that, whether they are being irrational or not.

Then again I'm sure Ken would explain to those people that he went along with this with the idea the contract he'd setup with them was breeched. Not only that but this was over rights concerning characters that being fought over are mostly already dead and removed from this comic anyway. It's not actually going to affect the comic to a large degree and certainly wouldn't be affecting the mythos to any greater extent Ian hasn't already done with Ken's work.

I'm not so sure it works that way. Once you have a reputation for being litigation-happy -- whether or not you're within your legal rights -- you become a sort of hot potato. Nobody wants to be the next target. You'd be surprised at how paranoid companies can get over being sued. I don't know if I'm allowed to be specific (so I won't be) but I as a game developer know that Nintendo has imposed some pretty absurd rules for WiiWare and DSiWare developers that I can only attribute to runaway paranoia over potential lawsuits. Now, I think those lawsuits would never hold any water, but companies hate being sued even if the case would be a sure win for them.

Bottom line is, many companies are risk-averse. Why hire Ken Penders when they can hire somebody who doesn't have a history of starting lawsuits over details, especially when such lawsuits appear to display an abuse of the trust that a previous publisher had put in him?

[Miko]

Again if Ken takes back the characters foiled Archie can just stop the arc, have Sonic quickly save the day, get Eggman back to using robots again and think of othe plots for us to mully over.

Doing so without once mentioning the DEL will be messy and hard to pull off, though. Especially with them all over the world like that.

I'm pretty sure Ken would be kind enough to at least explain to readers what happened to them. That or Archie can get the ball rolling right now before Ken says anything and start another genocide campaign. How about one at the end of this DEL saga?

Well, if Ken dooes win Archie may not have a choice.

Which is why this is such a jerk move to pull.

Well again Ken has been hearing the complaints from his fans, and feels his ideas have a sizeable fanbase. BobR has also pointed out the sales for the Knuckles comics at the time Ken was writing it was comparable to Archie's sales now, even right when it cancelled. So he's not a jerk for considering hisfans or that ideas are almost absent in the book or reduced to canon fodder plot devices.

To my knowledge NEGA's off limits anyway. SEGA also came up with zones (for example Chaos emeralds in a different reality have been the case before Ken).

Sega Zones are not the same as archie Zones. Sega Zones are just different stages in the games.

If your arguing however that say a special stage exists on the same sort of reality as the normal level that's not true. Zones that encompass different realities already exist in the games. It's not a foreign concept to SEGA. SEGA has also thought of alternate dimensions. So that would at most mean they can't use the word "zone" when reffering to an alternate reality. They would worst case scenario have to call it an "alternate reality."

Zonic rarely ever makes an appearance and Scourge has been put on a bus. About Zonic and Scourge, what I say about RoboRobotnik will probably fall in this.

Their lack of appearance are for similar purposes. When Scourge became Scourge, he was in his longest appearance ever. He was around for over a year doing things on Mobius Prime. It was time to give him a break, since he is usually a "villain of the week" one shot guy who gets defeated whenever he comes out. Zonic is never around because the comic is less focused on reality hopping than it was back in the day.

Regardless of reason he's on a bus. If worst case scenario he did never appear again it wouldn't affect the main plotline very much. Unfortunate, but the book wouldn't be collapsing on itself, and forced to cancel or reboot like some people are either hoping or fearing. Though I don't again I seriously don't think that'd happen because Scourge like Zonic is an interpretation of Sonic, a character whose full rights are owned by SEGA.

He can't hold claim to RoboRobotnik because that's still a robotinik. Is like Julian is with the modern Eggman, a different interpretation of a character or moniker SEGA already made. Just like how Ken probably wouldn't get Knuckles or Scourge for those exact reasons. Yes he set up their stories and at most may hold onto the backstories he created for them, but not the characters. Because these are interpretations of preestablished game characters. It just wouldn't happen.

but its the backstories that will create the problem.

Archie's been playing them off as the same character "up until a certain point" anyway right? They'd just get what they want and officially blur over the line between Julian and Eggman forever.

I'm not so sure it works that way. Once you have a reputation for being litigation-happy -- whether or not you're within your legal rights -- you become a sort of hot potato. Nobody wants to be the next target.

Doesn't seem to bother him though. I guess his creation matters so much to him that he'd be willing to go that far for him and his fans..

[CBSting]

I highly doubt he is doing this for anyone other then himslef, infact it seems he does not care how this affects Archie or the 1000's of People around the world that read and enjoy the comic. I myself am rooting for Archie & SOA on this one. I just hope this doesn't spell the end for one of my favorite series...or at the very least doesn't cause anything worse then a reboot.

[Mavrickindigo]

Archie's been playing them off as the same character "up until a certain point" anyway right? They'd just get what they want and officially blur over the line between Julian and Eggman forever.

I'd like to point out the issue where there was the flashback where IQ was talking to Robotnik Prime and the FCBD story where Snively explains that the original robotnik had made the Krudzu hybrid hydra.

The plot that they are two different characters still exists, but Ian doesn't shove it down people's throats and only mentions it when its relevant.

therefore, this action would muddle the situation even more until they can't reference the pat at all without dealing with some crazy continuity problems.

[Miko]

I highly doubt he is doing this for anyone other then himslef, infact it seems he does not care how this affects Archie or the 1000's of People around the world that read and enjoy the comic.

Again Ken appears to feel there are thousands of fans he had through his work with Knuckles he should also consider, not just you. In his blog he mentions his ideas had a sizeable fanbase in his address to us. This probably reffers to the thousands of folks who liked the Knuckles comic (at the cancelling point, it compared to the Archie comic figures of today). And no, a sizeable ammount of them aren't still part of the fanbase, if in fact Archie does try to reprint the Knuckles comic book.

[Mavrickindigo]

I highly doubt he is doing this for anyone other then himslef, infact it seems he does not care how this affects Archie or the 1000's of People around the world that read and enjoy the comic.

Again Ken appears to feel there are thousands of fans he had through his work with Knuckles he should also consider, not just you. In his blog he mentions his ideas had a sizeable fanbase in his address to us. This probably reffers to the thousands of folks who liked the Knuckles comic (at the cancelling point, it compared to the Archie comic figures of today). And no, a sizeable ammount of them aren't still part of the fanbase, if in fact Archie does try to reprint the Knuckles comic book.

doesn't stop him from writing fanfiction. Sure he may not get mony from it, but he wouldn't give a big "SCREW YOU" to the people who are loyal to the comic as a whole. I've read the comic before Penders, and I've read the comic during pendres, and I've read the comic after penders. My loyalty is not with him, it is with the comic, and he's going to kill the comic with this stupidity.

[CBSting]

I highly doubt he is doing this for anyone other then himslef, infact it seems he does not care how this affects Archie or the 1000's of People around the world that read and enjoy the comic.

Again Ken appears to feel there are thousands of fans he had through his work with Knuckles he should also consider, not just you. In his blog he mentions his ideas had a sizeable fanbase in his address to us. This probably reffers to the thousands of folks who liked the Knuckles comic (at the cancelling point, it compared to the Archie comic figures of today). And no, a sizeable ammount of them aren't still part of the fanbase, if in fact Archie does try to reprint the Knuckles comic book.

Oh I also enjoyed Kens Knuckles comic, however, I doubt that this will be reason enough to ever give him the legal means to continue his ideas for the series, I have know doubt he still has fans, however I sure I am not the only one of his former fans that finds this move overall rude to People such as myself that still read and enjoy the comic. (as I have already said.) Again, at the very best Ken will get royalites when/if Archie Prints more issues of STH & KNUX Archives that contain his stories, but that is about all he can legally ask for. He does not own the characters, they became the property of sega as soon as he put them in the books.

[Miko]

Oh I also enjoyed Kens Knuckles comic, however, I doubt that this will be reason enough to ever give him the legal means to continue his ideas for the series, I have know doubt he still has fans, however I sure I am not the only one of his former fans that finds this move overall rude to People such as myself that still read and enjoy the comic. (as I have already said.) Again, at the very best Ken will get royalites when/if Archie Prints more issues of STH & KNUX Archives that contain his stories, but that is about all he can legally ask for. He does not own the characters, they became the property of sega as soon as he put them in the books.

Again the problem with your statement is that you don't know what the contract said. Ken said he was seeking his rights, when SEGA breeched it's contract and put his ideas in Sonic Chronicles without his consent. SEGA owns the characters undisputedly as long as they follow the terms they agreed when when they made the contract. If for example the author's never agreed for SEGA to distrubute the characters or ideas they created outside of any SEGA or Archie related projects that could be breeching the agreement of the contract. Should that be the case and the contract is breeched Ken can pursue his rights and dispute if the characters and ideas he'd made still belong to SEGA. You are treating this situation as if SEGA hasn't alllegedly broke the very agreement/contract that allowed them to claim any form of ownership over the characters and ideas Ken created.

[Mavrickindigo]

Oh I also enjoyed Kens Knuckles comic, however, I doubt that this will be reason enough to ever give him the legal means to continue his ideas for the series, I have know doubt he still has fans, however I sure I am not the only one of his former fans that finds this move overall rude to People such as myself that still read and enjoy the comic. (as I have already said.) Again, at the very best Ken will get royalites when/if Archie Prints more issues of STH & KNUX Archives that contain his stories, but that is about all he can legally ask for. He does not own the characters, they became the property of sega as soon as he put them in the books.

Again the problem with your statement is that you don't know what the contract said. Ken said he was seeking his rights, when SEGA breeched it's contract and put his ideas in Sonic Chronicles without his consent. SEGA owns the characters undisputedly as long as they follow the terms they agreed when when they made the contract. If for example the author's never agreed for SEGA to distrubute the characters or ideas they created outside of any SEGA or Archie related projects that could be breeching the agreement of the contract and with the contract breeched ken can pursue his rights and dispute if the characters and ideas he'd made still belong to SEGA. You are treating this situation as if SEGA hasn't alllegedly broke the very agreement/contract that allowed them to claim any form of ownership over the characters and ideas Ken created.

I'm pretty sure "Sonc Chronicles" was a SEGA related project

[Miko]

Not saying SEGA wasn't related with the project.

[Dingleknot]

Here's what happened in my estimation*;

Ken used to write for Sonic. It was good. He got carried away and his stories became more and more disjointed and convoluted. He no longer wrote characters as much as plot devices.
Archie didn't like where the book was going, so Ken was demoted. He didn't like this and eventually left the book. How? Semantics.
Ken decided "screw Archie, I'll make my own stuff!"
He did. Nobody cared. His projects fell by the wayside and he became "that guy who wrote for Sonic."
Bitter that something that wasn't his own creation was getting more attention (and therefore money) than his, Ken lashed out.

I also notice that he blames Ian for the drop in the book's sales. This couldn't possibly have to do with the fact that a 2006-era Sonic isn't nearly as popular as a mid-90s Sonic, could it?

*may not be accurate

[Miko]

I also notice that he blames Ian for the drop in the book's sales. This couldn't possibly have to do with the fact that a 2006-era Sonic isn't nearly as popular as a mid-90s Sonic, could it?

A 2002-2005 era Sonic was popular enough to demonstrate growth in comic sales.

[Dingleknot]

PS- This is clearly a joke as to why there was such a large sales dropoff in 2006. But still, look at it.

[CBSting]

PS- This is clearly a joke as to why there was such a large sales dropoff in 2006. But still, look at it.

I dare say, Knuckles looks a tad jealous there in the background. (haha.)

But yes, Blaming Ian for the comics lower sale rate is just silly, there are many factors as to why Sonic and many other comics do not sell the way they used to.

[BobR]

PS- This is clearly a joke as to why there was such a large sales dropoff in 2006. But still, look at it.

Ummm, attribution, please? (Like where did this come from, who did it, etc. Thanks!)

[Paul-Agnew]

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